Is there a brown Super kit?

[eryque]

Does anyone know if any of the big kit makers sell a brown Super kit? It seems that they change the names so that they don't make it sound like they're copying someone's kit directly, so I can't really tell.

I'd only consider someone like Mission Amps that provides a lot of instruction and support for a project like this. I know Weber will provide parts for nearly every Fender circuit, but they just provide parts without instruction or support.

[11 Gauge]

I don't see why Allen couldn't alter one of his Brown Sugars to make it into a Brownie Super (or more like one)...

...I imagine that it would be on the spendy side, though.

It might make more financial sense to grab parts that are closest to the Brownie Super, and then tweak them to make them spot-on.

[sabby]

Weber offers a 6G13A kit. If you can get him to reduce the 4x10 cabinet to a 2x10 you'll have a Super. The Brown Super is a freakin' great amp, but it's not a paint-by-numbers circuit.

The Allen Brown Sugar is pretty different and it lacks the harmonic vibrato trem.

[eryque]

I knew the Brown Sugar wasn't a Super clone, but what is it?

And actually, I only really want the normal channel anyway, so maybe there's a project that's worth attacking with some help from my genius friends.

I'm thinking of a 1 channel circuit with no reverb and no tremolo (though maybe the reverb circuit is needed for the gain stage, like on a Princeton Reverb), and a cabinet with both a 10" and a 12" speaker.

Hmmmmm....

[sabby]

Originally Posted by eryque

And actually, I only really want the normal channel anyway... I'm thinking of a 1 channel circuit with no reverb and no tremolo (though maybe the reverb circuit is needed for the gain stage, like on a Princeton Reverb), and a cabinet with both a 10" and a 12" speaker.

Hmmmmm....

This is an Allen Hot Fudge with Nuts. 35 watts with 6L6s, and lots of baudy, rude Tweed-meets-BF-meets-Marshall warmth. You'll have to live with a killer trem, though.

[TeeBird]

I'm pretty sure he made the Brown Sugar cathode biased. Otherwise, I think it has the same tone stack and phase inverter of the other larger brown amps (I actually emailed him once with an idea of how to switch a brown tone stack to blackface with a pull pot but of course he was way ahead of me).

Yeah, that tremolo looks rat's nesty to me. I would just do power section bias trem...

I built a blonde bassman normal channel clone with cathode bias and tremolo. Came out great!

You don't need a reverb gain stage IMO. Those circuits have sufficient gain believe it or not.

[kludge]

Originally Posted by TeeBird

Yeah, that tremolo looks rat's nesty to me. I would just do power section bias trem...

It depends. The "tremolo" on the brown Super was actually a vibrato, and sounds completely different from any other Fender. It's an amazing, beautiful thing.

OTOH, the Weber ReVibe kit puts the brown-style vibrato and reverb into a single reverb-type box, so you can add it to other amps.

[sjhusting]

Well, it's not a vibrato like the Magnavox vibrato. It more or less splits the signal into bass and treble and oscillates them separately, which gives a pseudo-vibrato effect. It is the absolute best sounding Fender tremolo, though, but it can be a bit tricky.

I don't recall ever seeing a real brown kit. The Super, Bandmaster, and Pro (haven't checked the Concert) are almost identical (nfb, voltages perhaps) just like with the late tweed amps. My first thought also was Allen. The Weber kit looks to be sort of a Concert, though from the designation it should be a vibrasonic. Allan has a good rep like Mission though, don't think you could go wrong with it, though how would I know.

steven

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by sjhusting

Allan has a good rep like Mission though, don't think you could go wrong with it, though how would I know.

Not meant as a plug, but I know someone who's bought a lot of Allen services, including having a few TR, a SR, two DR's, and a VR or two brought back to health (mainly beat up SF amps that had dodgy lead dress, cabs/speakers/filter caps were shot, etc. etc.). In most cases, more money was probably spent cleaning up these SF Fenders than actually buying new Allen amps, but David's work is top notch...

[TeeBird]

I'm aware everyone loves that "vibrato" (fancy tremolo) but it takes three triodes! (1 and a half preamp tubes).

The 6G13 circuit looks the same as the Super, or close enough. The normal channel that is.