What´s the best accoustic guitar setup for live use.

Baard · August 14th, 2003, 06:00 AM

Going through the (Big) pa, bass , keyboard and drums on the sides.Monitor in front.
What guitar is the best and which Pup system ?

I Use a yamaha apx 97 limited edition that sounds pretty good, (best i´ve heard up to now) little feedback problems, and a split pezo/condenser mic system onboard, that sounds pretty realistic.

I just wonder what is the best.All things considered.

Baard

rebelern · August 14th, 2003, 07:06 PM

Baard- I have lost count of the types of inboard,outboard,across soundhole, under saddle,systems I have used with my 1971 Martin D18,some poor,not bad,quite good does the job;I'm sure you know what I mean ?.
Then about 2 years back,at our local store ,there was a new model Martin ;that had recently arrived into stock, a DC16-GTE(dreadnought,style16,cutaway,gloss top) complete with factory fitted with Fishman Prefix stereo on board blender amplification system. It tested out really good, through store Amps, and I was able to get a good deal,so it has been ever since,my Gig Acoustic, into a Behringer-DI, then into PA, no problems with feedback, with notch ,frequency and phase switch controls, and I am very pleased with the results.

Regards Ernie.

Baard · August 15th, 2003, 02:19 AM

Sounds interesting. Time to start saving.....
Baard

rebelern · August 15th, 2003, 05:05 AM

Baard,
Yes !,start saving ,my price was Aud $2995=US $4750,and Geir has told me that similar pricing is in Norway also,and I traded in for Aud $1400 a nice Music Man Axis Sport with the P90 Pick-ups,
that I had no use for,and we had a number of good paying Gigs booked in, so I purchased,and I am very pleased that I did :D

Take Care,
Ernie.

Baard · August 19th, 2003, 08:49 AM

and thats about 2700 usd. Not bad, but I´ll have to let it go for now. It´s something to keep in mind.

Baard

Matt Plescher · August 19th, 2003, 02:27 PM

I'll let you know up front I'm not a "reproduce the acoustic sound exactly" type person, in other words I'm not super picky. For me I'm after a good acoustic sound, not the exact sound of my acoustic. And I play the guitar HARD, not James Taylor fingerpicking.

So FWIW, I use a Seymour Duncan Woody XL (you can adjust the poles) into a Boss AD-3. The AD-3 has a balanced TRS line out, and you can make it a mic line out with a simple TRS 1/4inch to mic adapter. The chorus and reverb are nice sounding and it has a feedback supression pedal that works. It also has a acoustic amp simulator that makes a guitar amp sound like an acoustic amp for practice. I've been playing live through various PAs for about two years with it and am very happy.

Cheers
Matt

Bluedawg · August 19th, 2003, 06:12 PM

I use a Tacoma EM9 w/LR BAGGS onboard Electronics.
Tech21 Acoustic DI
Boss CE-20 Chorus Ensemble

Peavey Ecoustic 1-12 amp
Various PA equipment

What I do is mic the Peavey amp,this adds a lot of Depth to the sound..

You'll find many ways to amplify an Acoustic guitar,you'll
just have to find the method you like.

I play Blues so I need a ton of Bass and Depth and an amp with a 12 inch speaker.

John Harrison · August 20th, 2003, 09:16 AM

I'm sold on the B-Band core system, made in Finland. I have one (with soundhole mic) in my Gibson 6-string and one in my Taylor 12-string. I play through a SWR California Blonde acoustic amp - a great amp for acoustic instruments and bass.
While I've found that I can't use the mic in a band situation (feedback), even when playing at higher volumes, what comes out of my amp sounds like my acoustic guitars, unplugged, only louder. None of the awful piezo pickup sound.
I highly recommend both the B-Band system and the SWR California Blonde.

Hucklebilly · August 21st, 2003, 01:33 PM

It's counter-intuitive that a magnetic pickup could sound so acoustic, but after trying various piezo and piezo-mic combos and never getting the gain I needed to cut through the mix (even in a trio) I went for the Sunrise and have never looked back. Originally I wired it in stereo with a piezo through a Rane AP-13 preamp, but the piezo added nothing, so now its the Sunrise into the preamp and into the board. I will never use anything else.

Jakedog · September 3rd, 2003, 11:37 PM

My main live rig is my '89 Washburn D-61SW w/fishman natural matrix I, plugged into my Rolls "Red Square" active DI/Exciter, plugged into whatever PA is in the room. Getting alot of compliments since I started using this rig about 4 months ago.

Jake

hippietim · September 4th, 2003, 12:12 AM

I went on the acoustic tone quest a few years ago. I tried dozens and dozens of Martins, Ovations, Guilds, Seagulls, Larivees, Gibsons, etc. Taylor guitars won hands down for me. I got a 614ce which has the Fishman Blender system with a piezo and built-in microphone. This thing sounds simply amazing acoustically and amplified. Recently I got a chance to play a Taylor with their brand new electronic system and it might even be a tad better. All of the Guitar Centers I run across that have the older models with the Fishman system are blowing them out for quite a bit less than they used to go for.

August 14th, 2003, 06:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	What´s the best accoustic guitar setup for live use. Going through the (Big) pa, bass , keyboard and drums on the sides.Monitor in front. What guitar is the best and which Pup system ? I Use a yamaha apx 97 limited edition that sounds pretty good, (best i´ve heard up to now) little feedback problems, and a split pezo/condenser mic system onboard, that sounds pretty realistic. I just wonder what is the best.All things considered. Baard

August 14th, 2003, 07:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
rebelern Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Swampyville, Australia. Posts: 896	I know what you mean ! Baard- I have lost count of the types of inboard,outboard,across soundhole, under saddle,systems I have used with my 1971 Martin D18,some poor,not bad,quite good does the job;I'm sure you know what I mean ?. Then about 2 years back,at our local store ,there was a new model Martin ;that had recently arrived into stock, a DC16-GTE(dreadnought,style16,cutaway,gloss top) complete with factory fitted with Fishman Prefix stereo on board blender amplification system. It tested out really good, through store Amps, and I was able to get a good deal,so it has been ever since,my Gig Acoustic, into a Behringer-DI, then into PA, no problems with feedback, with notch ,frequency and phase switch controls, and I am very pleased with the results. Regards Ernie.

August 15th, 2003, 02:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	This one ? Sounds interesting. Time to start saving..... Baard

August 15th, 2003, 05:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
rebelern Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Swampyville, Australia. Posts: 896	Yes that is the one-- Baard, Yes !,start saving ,my price was Aud $2995=US $4750,and Geir has told me that similar pricing is in Norway also,and I traded in for Aud $1400 a nice Music Man Axis Sport with the P90 Pick-ups, that I had no use for,and we had a number of good paying Gigs booked in, so I purchased,and I am very pleased that I did :D Take Care, Ernie.

August 19th, 2003, 08:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	They got it on offer at 17.000 dkr and thats about 2700 usd. Not bad, but I´ll have to let it go for now. It´s something to keep in mind. Baard

August 19th, 2003, 02:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Matt Plescher Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: West Michigan Posts: 837	I'll let you know up front I'm not a "reproduce the acoustic sound exactly" type person, in other words I'm not super picky. For me I'm after a good acoustic sound, not the exact sound of my acoustic. And I play the guitar HARD, not James Taylor fingerpicking. So FWIW, I use a Seymour Duncan Woody XL (you can adjust the poles) into a Boss AD-3. The AD-3 has a balanced TRS line out, and you can make it a mic line out with a simple TRS 1/4inch to mic adapter. The chorus and reverb are nice sounding and it has a feedback supression pedal that works. It also has a acoustic amp simulator that makes a guitar amp sound like an acoustic amp for practice. I've been playing live through various PAs for about two years with it and am very happy. Cheers Matt __________________ She's not your satellite She doesn't miss you So turn off your smoke machine And Marshall stack

August 19th, 2003, 06:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bluedawg Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mid-Atlantic,US Posts: 196	My rig...... I use a Tacoma EM9 w/LR BAGGS onboard Electronics. Tech21 Acoustic DI Boss CE-20 Chorus Ensemble Peavey Ecoustic 1-12 amp Various PA equipment What I do is mic the Peavey amp,this adds a lot of Depth to the sound.. You'll find many ways to amplify an Acoustic guitar,you'll just have to find the method you like. I play Blues so I need a ton of Bass and Depth and an amp with a 12 inch speaker. __________________ Boom,Boom,Boom,Boom -J.L. Hooker

August 20th, 2003, 09:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
John Harrison Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 1,043	B-Band I'm sold on the B-Band core system, made in Finland. I have one (with soundhole mic) in my Gibson 6-string and one in my Taylor 12-string. I play through a SWR California Blonde acoustic amp - a great amp for acoustic instruments and bass. While I've found that I can't use the mic in a band situation (feedback), even when playing at higher volumes, what comes out of my amp sounds like my acoustic guitars, unplugged, only louder. None of the awful piezo pickup sound. I highly recommend both the B-Band system and the SWR California Blonde.

August 21st, 2003, 01:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hucklebilly Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 767 2 Photos	Sunrise! It's counter-intuitive that a magnetic pickup could sound so acoustic, but after trying various piezo and piezo-mic combos and never getting the gain I needed to cut through the mix (even in a trio) I went for the Sunrise and have never looked back. Originally I wired it in stereo with a piezo through a Rane AP-13 preamp, but the piezo added nothing, so now its the Sunrise into the preamp and into the board. I will never use anything else.

September 3rd, 2003, 11:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jakedog Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland,OH But my heart's still in TE Posts: 2,888	I like mine... My main live rig is my '89 Washburn D-61SW w/fishman natural matrix I, plugged into my Rolls "Red Square" active DI/Exciter, plugged into whatever PA is in the room. Getting alot of compliments since I started using this rig about 4 months ago. Jake __________________ "Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him..."

September 4th, 2003, 12:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
hippietim Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Raleigh Posts: 2,090	Taylor's I went on the acoustic tone quest a few years ago. I tried dozens and dozens of Martins, Ovations, Guilds, Seagulls, Larivees, Gibsons, etc. Taylor guitars won hands down for me. I got a 614ce which has the Fishman Blender system with a piezo and built-in microphone. This thing sounds simply amazing acoustically and amplified. Recently I got a chance to play a Taylor with their brand new electronic system and it might even be a tad better. All of the Guitar Centers I run across that have the older models with the Fishman system are blowing them out for quite a bit less than they used to go for.