The Holy Grail - Robert Johnson L1

davidwright · July 25th, 2006, 10:11 AM

I say there is a small but significant market for this

but I'm not in it!

http://www.rjguitar.com/enter.php

shakedancer · July 25th, 2006, 11:42 AM

I don't know if I believe it. Very skeptical!!!!

brillocaster · July 25th, 2006, 02:31 PM

That's bullhonkus, right? Surely the provenance for an artifact like this has to go beyond "It's the one in the picture; you can tell because...it looks like the one in the picture. That'll be $6,000,000, please."

cook · July 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM

Exactly. The provenance has to list the history of ownership. Something I learned watching "Antiques Roadshow"!

shakedancer · July 25th, 2006, 04:10 PM

Yes, I don't know anything about these things, but I did wonder where it has been for over 60 years.

PS This thread should go over to Bad Dog Cafe where more people can see it and chime in. JMHO

stevieboy · July 25th, 2006, 04:54 PM

I don't see anything that proves that this is Robert Johnson's guitar. And the way they present their points like it is proof makes me even more skeptical. Pretty much everything they say simply tries to explain perceived differences between their guitar and the picture, and while those explanations are all reasonable, it's still a big jump to concluding that they have RJ's guitar.

brillocaster · July 25th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Another thing that stands out - many of the other items offered by the group selling this guitar are provenanced out the ying-yang (or, at least to my untrained eye) with letters, photos, etc. Why not the guitar? It's almost like they built an entire web site for the thing to overcompensate.

WickedGTR · July 25th, 2006, 05:08 PM

I'm convinced it's real.

Disclaimer: I actually believe everything I read on the Internet(s).

stevieboy · July 25th, 2006, 05:13 PM

They probably have it all fully documented, but they can't tell you until a certain person passes on

davidwright · July 26th, 2006, 06:02 AM

you will get to see the proof after you buy it?

Farfel · July 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM

Wait, I didn't think that there was an existing picture of Robert Johnson.?

sharkydude50 · July 26th, 2006, 04:37 PM

4 words 4 u- Don't Believe the Hype!

Reno Sepulveda · July 26th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farfel

Wait, I didn't think that there was an existing picture of Robert Johnson.?

BOO!

charlie cash · July 26th, 2006, 11:39 PM

You don't get too many opportunities to hand over $6million for a porly documented outrageous claim.
Doesn't it appear to be in increadibly good condition?

cowboytwang · July 27th, 2006, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Doesn't it appear to be in increadibly good condition?

I think Mr. Johnson always traveled with it in an anvil road case, and always had his guitar tech take extreme care when tuning it up for him, and he NEVER, EVER played it in any kind of roadhouse, bar, house of ill-repute, or anywhere that it was in danger of getting scratched or dinged.

Rob DiStefano · July 27th, 2006, 09:18 AM

Geez, only $6M? Someone will buy it, for sure. To each their own!

Big John · August 1st, 2006, 04:40 AM

$6,000,000 ?, with that much money, why, we could rebuild him couldn't we ?

We DO have the technology .........

Boubou · August 1st, 2006, 03:49 PM

Total BULL, you look at the pic of the original, and it is actually quite easy to see differences between theirs and the real one

July 25th, 2006, 10:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
davidwright TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Age: 45 Posts: 33	The Holy Grail - Robert Johnson L1 I say there is a small but significant market for this but I'm not in it! http://www.rjguitar.com/enter.php

July 25th, 2006, 11:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
shakedancer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: north of Boston Posts: 1,639	I don't know if I believe it. Very skeptical!!!! __________________ "If you don't like the Blues, you got to have a Hole in your Soul." Luther Allison JOE

July 25th, 2006, 04:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
shakedancer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: north of Boston Posts: 1,639	Yes, I don't know anything about these things, but I did wonder where it has been for over 60 years. PS This thread should go over to Bad Dog Cafe where more people can see it and chime in. JMHO __________________ "If you don't like the Blues, you got to have a Hole in your Soul." Luther Allison JOE

July 25th, 2006, 04:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
stevieboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the valley Age: 57 Posts: 2,514 6 Photos	I don't see anything that proves that this is Robert Johnson's guitar. And the way they present their points like it is proof makes me even more skeptical. Pretty much everything they say simply tries to explain perceived differences between their guitar and the picture, and while those explanations are all reasonable, it's still a big jump to concluding that they have RJ's guitar. __________________ "One of the best bands ever. These guys were such perfectionist"--Youtube user comment

July 25th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
WickedGTR Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hillbilly Hollywood Posts: 2,151 4 Photos	I'm convinced it's real. Disclaimer: I actually believe everything I read on the Internet(s). __________________ http://www.myspace.com/jameswilsey

July 25th, 2006, 02:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
brillocaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 753	That's bullhonkus, right? Surely the provenance for an artifact like this has to go beyond "It's the one in the picture; you can tell because...it looks like the one in the picture. That'll be $6,000,000, please."

July 25th, 2006, 03:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
cook Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 194 2 Photos	Exactly. The provenance has to list the history of ownership. Something I learned watching "Antiques Roadshow"!

July 25th, 2006, 04:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
brillocaster Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 753	Another thing that stands out - many of the other items offered by the group selling this guitar are provenanced out the ying-yang (or, at least to my untrained eye) with letters, photos, etc. Why not the guitar? It's almost like they built an entire web site for the thing to overcompensate.

July 25th, 2006, 05:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
stevieboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the valley Age: 57 Posts: 2,514 6 Photos	They probably have it all fully documented, but they can't tell you until a certain person passes on __________________ "One of the best bands ever. These guys were such perfectionist"--Youtube user comment

July 26th, 2006, 06:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
davidwright TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Age: 45 Posts: 33	Maybe... you will get to see the proof after you buy it?

July 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Farfel Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Illinos Posts: 358 4 Photos	Wait, I didn't think that there was an existing picture of Robert Johnson.?

July 26th, 2006, 04:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
sharkydude50 Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 170 9 Photos	RJ's gitter 4 words 4 u- Don't Believe the Hype! __________________ Sharkymon- Acoustics Baby Yeah!

July 26th, 2006, 11:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
charlie cash Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 368	once in a lifetime opportunity... You don't get too many opportunities to hand over $6million for a porly documented outrageous claim. Doesn't it appear to be in increadibly good condition?

July 27th, 2006, 09:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
Rob DiStefano Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Park Ridge, NJ Age: 63 Posts: 4,919	Geez, only $6M? Someone will buy it, for sure. To each their own!

August 1st, 2006, 04:40 AM	#17 (permalink)
Big John Friend of Leo's Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Suffolk UK Posts: 4,874 36 Photos	$6,000,000 ? $6,000,000 ?, with that much money, why, we could rebuild him couldn't we ? We DO have the technology ......... __________________ If you are going to be a bear, be a grizzly !!

August 1st, 2006, 03:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
Boubou Tele-Holic Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 49 Posts: 729 2 Photos	Total BULL, you look at the pic of the original, and it is actually quite easy to see differences between theirs and the real one