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Old January 9th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Passive/active-DI /enhancers/eq /etc

Sort of new to the (live acoustic) thing. (guitar/w/batteries)

Was going live direct 1/4 to mixer. Not bad. Then tried an old passive
xlr converter, and , had some more sibiliance...

Then looked online, and wow, there are so many. I would like one that enhances acoustic sound, but, I believe those are active, not for passive?
(Fishman aura, Braggs ParaDI,etc)

Of course I could stay passive, and just get a 1/4 aural exciter pedal or eq.?

We dont have long runs...probably less 20 ft.

Just curious about using active preamp into active DI? problems.? Stay simple? I do like that enhancement thingy though.. I started using
a chorus unit, recently, that kicked butt.

.sorry I am all over the board here, but, ....lots of questions.............

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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've used a L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic DI for about six years. It has some tone-shaping and notch control. I like that it has an effects loop, which I use. I've been really happy with it and would replace it in a heartbeat.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Does your acoustic have active or passive p/u
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If you're looking for something to boost the signal of a passive pickup, look at the ART Tube MP. About $30. We use two of them at gigs for the acoustic guitars.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It is fine to use active pickups into an active DI or preamp. My guitar has a Fishman Matrix Infinity pickup (active) and I've run it through a number of DIs. Having the right DI/Pre can make a TON of difference IMO.
As mentioned, the LR Baggs PADI is an excellent tone-shaping DI.
My latest acquisition is a Radial PZ Deluxe - and WOW! I actually prefer it over the PADI!

Are there any specific pedals/DIs you are really curious about?
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It takes a good long while to dial in right - as in a full day to get in the ballpark - and a few gigs after that to fine-tune, but my Fishman Aura Spectrum goes with me to just about every gig now.

If you just want impedance matching so you can run into an XLR mic pre on the desk instead of the lower gained line in, the Radial J48 or JDI are great units.

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It is fine to use active pickups into an active DI or preamp. My guitar has a Fishman Matrix Infinity pickup (active) and I've run it through a number of DIs. Having the right DI/Pre can make a TON of difference IMO.
As mentioned, the LR Baggs PADI is an excellent tone-shaping DI.
My latest acquisition is a Radial PZ Deluxe - and WOW! I actually prefer it over the PADI!

Are there any specific pedals/DIs you are really curious about?
Sort of curious about anything making the acoustic sound fuller. That radial
sounds nice. Trying to make the acoustics sound fuller, not tinny. Have
a low end mixer, with bare minimum parametric eq. So I would like to
set flat, and have sound come in good? The 1/4 jacks in now, sounds super attenuated, and too bright.
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+1 on the Aura. It's the only way I've found to make my acoustic actually sound like an acoustic on stage.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Does your acoustic have active or passive p/u
Sorry for not catching this sooner. I have passive soundhole pickups in my acoustics. A L.R. Baggs M1 in my Takamine 12-string and a Fishman Neo-D in my Epi Hummingbird.
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I like the Baggs DI box & have used it forever.
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Sort of curious about anything making the acoustic sound fuller. That radial
sounds nice. Trying to make the acoustics sound fuller, not tinny. Have
a low end mixer, with bare minimum parametric eq. So I would like to
set flat, and have sound come in good? The 1/4 jacks in now, sounds super attenuated, and too bright.
Some have mentioned the Aura as well, and I agree, that is an excellent unit, but while it can work with passive soundhole pickups, I've found it works better with active piezo pickups. And you have to find the right images to really fit with your specific models of guitar. Once you find the fit though, it really does make a beautiful difference. I love mine.

But for what you are looking for I'd still recommend the Radial or LR Baggs PADI.
One other benefit the Radial has is next to the input jack there is a tiny little button that can give it an extra boost specifically for when you are using passive pickups.
Either of those DIs would really help your guitar sound fuller as well as cut through the mix if need be, without sounding too bright or tinny.

I always get my sound just right through the DI and have my channel at the sound board set flat as well. Works great and is more consistent than having the sound guy attempt eq adjustments on my guitar.
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thx....

Some of those under-saddle transducers are just too much...anything to make the guitar sound more real..is cool.
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I play acoustic in a band setting -- I went through what you're going through a few months ago -- what I learned was the general rule is go with a passive DI if you have an active pickup and an active DI if you have a passive pickup. Both combinations will work, but the passive DI/active pickup and vice versa combination seems to be more prevalent and yield better results from all I read.

Also, keep it as simple as possible. I used to have an active DI box with EQ (LR Baggs Avenue) with knobs everywhere for my active pickup guitar. I switched to a simple passive Radial DI box and EQ at the board and get more natural sound and less futzing with knobs.

Good luck.
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I like my Martin 000-28 with a Thinline Gold passive pickup and an LR Baggs Acoustic DI. Simple rig. Glorious sound.
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I play acoustic in a band setting -- I went through what you're going through a few months ago -- what I learned was the general rule is go with a passive DI if you have an active pickup and an active DI if you have a passive pickup. Both combinations will work, but the passive DI/active pickup and vice versa combination seems to be more prevalent and yield better results from all I read.

Also, keep it as simple as possible. I used to have an active DI box with EQ (LR Baggs Avenue) with knobs everywhere for my active pickup guitar. I switched to a simple passive Radial DI box and EQ at the board and get more natural sound and less futzing with knobs.

Good luck.
Less futzing is good...as long as I can get a good board sound, with
a wimpy parametric...
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It all depends. I have used a Tak with active PU for quite a while and occasionally added a pedal or three. Some time back I went with a Radial PZ Deluxe for at feet EQ DI function and such. Pedals into it and out to Amp/PA. I love it. Also used it with a K&K equipped guitar and it works well there too.

All sorts of options and it all depends on personal need and desired function. Baggs Para. Aura's , DI's or pre/DI as I went. Match the gear to desired function and look at what fits.

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so Radial DI + enchancer? or
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