New Gibson Acoustic?

RickG501 · May 13th, 2008, 11:55 PM

They've got to be kidding...over a $1000 and it has a bolt on neck????

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...tar?sku=516431

johnnykf · May 14th, 2008, 04:21 AM

It must be one of those Canadian Garrisons, Gibson bought them out and is slapping their logo on them

Dennis68 · May 14th, 2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnykf

It must be one of those Canadian Garrisons, Gibson bought them out and is slapping their logo on them

That's exactly what it is. The good news is Garrison is a better solotion than China's factories for many reasons!

johnnykf · May 14th, 2008, 11:33 AM

I agree, you don't have to worry about exposure to lead in the paint or whatever other toxic things that may be in them. All you have to do is invert the guitar and shake the Labatts bottlecaps out of the soundhole (lol)

studio1087 · May 14th, 2008, 11:44 AM

Not gettng good reviews....

http://www.acousticguitar.com/ubbcgi...c;f=1;t=028262

Stuco · May 16th, 2008, 09:45 PM

Taylors have bolt on necks and sell for like a bazillion dollars.

esteban · May 16th, 2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuco

Taylors have bolt on necks and sell for like a bazillion dollars.

I was just about to say that.

But the construction of a Taylor bolt-on is a bit different, I think.

studio1087 · May 16th, 2008, 11:05 PM

I don't think the new Gibson has a mortise & Tenon joint with a bolt in it....I think it's a bolt-on. Like a Tele.

The only Taylors with a bolt-on are the Baby Taylor @ $249 and the Big Baby Taylor at $399; each of these models have two big bolts right through the fretboard.

eryque · May 17th, 2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by studio1087

I don't think the new Gibson has a mortise & Tenon joint with a bolt in it....I think it's a bolt-on. Like a Tele.

The only Taylors with a bolt-on are the Baby Taylor @ $249 and the Big Baby Taylor at $399; each of these models have two big bolts right through the fretboard.

How do they hide the heads of the bolts? I looked at pictures on Taylor's site and didn't see any evidence of the bolts at the fretboard.

The only joint talked about in Taylor's FAQs is the New Technology one, which I have to say is pretty damned fine piece of engineering.

Colt W. Knight · May 17th, 2008, 08:09 PM

They probably bolt from inside the body of the guitar, not on the back like a tele.
Some Martins have bolt on necks too, but they are also grove fitted then bolted into place.

eryque · May 17th, 2008, 08:53 PM

The Martins with the bolts are the ones with what they call a mortis and tenon joints, which is the groove you're talking about.

Interestingly, all of the necks get fitted with threaded steel inserts whether they have dovetails or or straight tenons. They thread a long wooden handle into those holes to handle the necks during production. Kinda neat.

freddie · May 18th, 2008, 12:56 AM

Most Taylor guitars are a type of bolt on neck. My Taylor 712 is bolt on type, but I can't say that in my humble opinion, it is lacking any tone that another dovetail type of neck gitar may have. Then again, I perfer the Tele to the dovetailed Les Paul... might be the pick ups though...

freddie

aunchaki · May 18th, 2008, 07:15 AM

Let's be clear about what we mean by "bolt-on" neck. There's the type of bolt on that we see in our Telecasters (neck plate on back, screws coming into the back of the neck). Some acoustics have such a neck (e.g. some Epiphones from the 1970s). I've played a few of them and thought they were fine (I wouldn't reject a guitar because of it). If you can find an Epiphone Bard for cheap, get it!

Then there the mortise-and-tenon bolt-on neck, like you can see in this pic:

This style of bolt-on is a different take on the dovetail joint. I can't really judge the differences between these two styles (dovetail & mortise-and-tenon bolt-on), but I've probably played both in stores and not known it.

One thing I do know: I have a set-neck electric that developed a loose neck joint, and it basically ruined the guitar (fixing it would cost way more that I bought it for). The idea of a bolt-on neck doesn't scare me. Like anything, I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones.

May 13th, 2008, 11:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
RickG501 Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Age: 54 Posts: 678	New Gibson Acoustic? They've got to be kidding...over a $1000 and it has a bolt on neck???? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...tar?sku=516431

May 14th, 2008, 11:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
studio1087 Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Near Milwaukee Age: 44 Posts: 3,276 33 Photos	Not gettng good reviews.... http://www.acousticguitar.com/ubbcgi...c;f=1;t=028262 __________________ JLG Carry On

May 16th, 2008, 09:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Stuco Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA Posts: 2,758	Taylors have bolt on necks and sell for like a bazillion dollars. __________________ -"You do not merely want to be considered just the best of the best. You want to be considered the only ones who do what you do" J. Garcia

May 16th, 2008, 11:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
studio1087 Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Near Milwaukee Age: 44 Posts: 3,276 33 Photos	I don't think the new Gibson has a mortise & Tenon joint with a bolt in it....I think it's a bolt-on. Like a Tele. The only Taylors with a bolt-on are the Baby Taylor @ $249 and the Big Baby Taylor at $399; each of these models have two big bolts right through the fretboard. __________________ JLG Carry On

May 17th, 2008, 08:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
eryque Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: albany, ny [not chicago] Posts: 6,815 44 Photos	The Martins with the bolts are the ones with what they call a mortis and tenon joints, which is the groove you're talking about. Interestingly, all of the necks get fitted with threaded steel inserts whether they have dovetails or or straight tenons. They thread a long wooden handle into those holes to handle the necks during production. Kinda neat. __________________ my blog: eryque.blogspot.com Updated 10.27.07 Subscribe_____________________

May 14th, 2008, 04:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
johnnykf Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 385	It must be one of those Canadian Garrisons, Gibson bought them out and is slapping their logo on them

May 14th, 2008, 11:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
johnnykf Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 385	I agree, you don't have to worry about exposure to lead in the paint or whatever other toxic things that may be in them. All you have to do is invert the guitar and shake the Labatts bottlecaps out of the soundhole (lol)

May 17th, 2008, 08:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Colt W. Knight Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wyoming Age: 24 Posts: 1,423	They probably bolt from inside the body of the guitar, not on the back like a tele. Some Martins have bolt on necks too, but they are also grove fitted then bolted into place.

May 18th, 2008, 12:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
freddie Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portsmouth, U.K. Age: 44 Posts: 157	Most Taylor guitars are a type of bolt on neck. My Taylor 712 is bolt on type, but I can't say that in my humble opinion, it is lacking any tone that another dovetail type of neck gitar may have. Then again, I perfer the Tele to the dovetailed Les Paul... might be the pick ups though... freddie

May 18th, 2008, 07:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
aunchaki Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Western New York Posts: 1,110 16 Photos	Let's be clear about what we mean by "bolt-on" neck. There's the type of bolt on that we see in our Telecasters (neck plate on back, screws coming into the back of the neck). Some acoustics have such a neck (e.g. some Epiphones from the 1970s). I've played a few of them and thought they were fine (I wouldn't reject a guitar because of it). If you can find an Epiphone Bard for cheap, get it! Then there the mortise-and-tenon bolt-on neck, like you can see in this pic: This style of bolt-on is a different take on the dovetail joint. I can't really judge the differences between these two styles (dovetail & mortise-and-tenon bolt-on), but I've probably played both in stores and not known it. One thing I do know: I have a set-neck electric that developed a loose neck joint, and it basically ruined the guitar (fixing it would cost way more that I bought it for). The idea of a bolt-on neck doesn't scare me. Like anything, I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones. __________________ Two Teles, One Strat, Two Acoustics (6 & 12 strings), Two Mandolins (4 & 8 strings), One Bass (5 strings)