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Old March 24th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #20 (permalink)
mabley123
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people were so greedy and there was so much good wood they cut it and it was almost gone before you knew it.

in brazil they used to make homes, fence posts, barns and all kinds of stuff from brazilian rosewood. now they are allowed to harvest only stumps, reclaimed homes barns, fence posts ect. and trees that have fallen.

thats another reason gibson uses african mahogany on its les pauls and not honduran. i i think maybe on the historic models and a couple others they may use honduran but mostly african mahogany. im pretty sure honduran is also cities protected and cannot be shipped out of usa without proper documentation. i know bow river hardwoods in canada will also not send honduran to the usa because they do not want to go to the trouble to have it certified to send out of the country.

can you imagine a house made from brazilian rosewood. you would have to predrill everything and would be a very difficult job just to cut it it is so hard and dense. brazilian rosewood is protected by C.I.T.E.S or convention on international trade on endangered species of wild fauna and flora.

if fender sent strats with brazilain rosewood fretboards out of the country....any country and did not have the required paperwork...? that is worse than dumb and its hard to believe they did it even possibly by accident.

the usa has been a member of cities since 1975. so it is not like they didnt know better.


im not for the police being all up out bu""s either.... but im not for messing around with stuff that is either endangered, threatened ect..... as that will make it all but impossible for any of us to get...even legally.

gibson also claims their wood is FSC certified and some of it is not.

YOU PAY EXTRA FOR THIS FSC certification.

here is s statement from FSC on the first gibson raid.


MINNEAPOLIS MN -- The Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) issued a statement noting that the wood seized by the Department of Justice in the August 24 raid of Gibson Guitar's factory in Nashville in not FSC certified.

The FSC's statement contradicted comments released by Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz the day after DOJ agents armed with automatic weapons confiscated pallets of ebony and rosewood lumber, dozens of guitars and electronic files from the Nashville plant.

"Agents seized wood that was Forest Stewardship Council controlled,” Juszkiewicz said. “Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC-certified supplies. The wood seized on August 24 satisfied FSC standards."

Following is FSC's statement in its entirety.

"In response to recent media coverage of the federal raid of Gibson Guitar Corporation factories in Tennessee, the Forest Stewardship Council has issued the following statement:

"Not all the wood Gibson Guitar Corporation uses is FSC certified. This story is about the non-certified wood.

"So while Gibson has shown important sector leadership by stimulating demand for FSC-certified wood, the federal investigation addresses the wood they use that is not FSC certified.

"FSC-certification is a component of due care that companies can use, but unless 100% of the wood used is FSC certified, other mechanisms are required too. In this instance, it is the non-certified wood that is being questioned.

"As part of its global forest management standard, FSC requires compliance with national and local forest practice regulations. FSC was not designed to address laws related to value-added manufacturing, which appears to be the subject of the recent action against Gibson."
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