Originally Posted by Wally
Gunslinger, I do not have permission to use the West Coast expert's name....but his first name happens to be the same as the poster on the Weber board. I learned of his thoughts on the amp from a friend, and I learned it before the posting on the WEber board. If they are one and the same, I have to give some weight to his observations. He has been in the business longer than either Sprung and WEber. More importantly, he has viewed the amp in person.
Please realize that I am not supporting the claims of anyone on any side of this question. I find it very interesting. I do know that there are too many questions for me to have a definitive understanding of what this amp really is....and I don't know if there is any one person that can KNOW....it is all belief, as you say. I do believe this...there isn't anyone who HAS NOT INSPECTED THE AMP firsthand that would be able to take an oath in court and say "that amp is ______ whatever." They could say that it looks like, or it is different from.....but they could not and would wisely refuse to say under oath that it is fake.
Just as it has been said here that the seller should provide provenance and support for his claimes, when a person claims fraud and it gets to the legal part of the debate, proof of fraud must be established. I can't do that from my chair in Texas, and I really don't see that you can either. We can only talk about what we can see, read and think. AS John Sprung wrote to me "But what do I know?"
I do find it interesting that you find Mike's claim palatable, but Al's claims hit you as bogus. Whatever fits, right? Man, I just can't know....I can think, but I can't know. I hope you understand me on this. When we hang a man for horse thievery, it would be best if we have concrete evidence. And...important point....we aren't the jury and there is no trial????
Oh, and if you think that transformer ..output, right? ....is worth that much, I will sell you a complete wide panel PRo.... original cabinet and speaker(FIELD COIL).....for a good price. The cab needs recovering, but all else is ready to go. There is no Doubt that it was built by Leo and friends...the tube chart is there, too. The cab is finger-jointed. The numbers are correct. IT does have a new Merc. Mag. power tranny. That doesn't affect the sonics. The OT is the heart of it. Lily signed the tape in the chassis. It is hard to read after all these years, but it is still there.
Yes, the Triad output and power transformers would be worth something.
And you simply do not
have a wide panel Pro with a field coil speaker. I'm calling BS on that.
Yes, Mike's claim goes along with the non-Fender, aftermarket, cabinet maker look of the cabinet, and the shady nature of the dealer selling the amp, that I was well aware of in past shady auctions of his. This does not mean it's true, only more plausible.
Now Al's claim was just more of the same as the dealer's with the auction:
"I own NINE original Woody amps, and I KNOW that this is an ORIGINAL Custom-made Fender amp cabinet."
Again, we're supposed to believe it because he says so, though our own eyes and knowledge say differently? No way. Note that he cites no specific details to back his claim up.
Wally, you must stop believing things just cause some guy says so. Some guy may not be so honest...