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getbent · March 2nd, 2008, 02:58 PM

I'll give you a recent example of the quality connundrum. My son has a nice, mid priced (90.00,) well constructed glove of traditional lineage. We bought it with the thought that it would serve him through his 12 year old year old year in little leage (about 2.5 years.) I have started working with his team and since I gave my last really good glove to a former player who'd gotten a scholarship... I decided I wanted a decent glove. Along the way, a light came on for me.... my son is a good player (all stars, travel team, committed athlete etc) and wants to continue play... so, I decided I would buy a high quality glove, break it in (the better the quality the longer it takes to break in--ironically) over the next couple of years and then it would be ready for him when he gets to that point.

We got the glove in the mail yesterday... oh my! it is stellar! My son is a middle infielder (and pitches and catches) so I found a place that sells the pro model rawlings gloves. I have to be honest, this thing is better than any glove I ever owned (and I had one of the last american made Wilson A2000's) I had a great pro model Rawlings in the 70's which at the time was REALLY expensive but it served me well through high school and college and into coaching...

Quality has lots of areas that are subjective to be sure, but there are just as many elements that anyone would have to acknowledge make the thing THE THING. In this case, anyone with experience with ball gloves would look at this glove and say... "oh my, that is a beauty!" it may not be the glove they would choose but it is an amazing piece of craftsmanship... the same with guitars and amps..

I think Tony's post about canned vegetables or the ones about mcdonalds or budweiser are interesting and the manufacturers would be mightily dismayed to know that there is such a variance... one of their stated goals is 'consistency of experience'. Meaning their quality control guys are absolutely fixated on their products being EXACTLY the same.

What has given Toyota a good reputation over the years is that their tolerances in the build quality are extremely narrow so one Camry is EXACTLY like another. The fact that you find them not to be would be troubling to the manufacturer as one of their visions of quality is consistency in build quality.

So, we are mixing terms a bit.. we just need to be aware of that. If I understand Yegbert's post... his absolute is the conception that an individual holds for what the object should be and should do.

In that case there would be the absolute... it would be in the execution of that absolute that you'd see the differences.

March 2nd, 2008, 02:58 PM	#55 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Age: 48 Posts: 9,150 37 Photos	I'll give you a recent example of the quality connundrum. My son has a nice, mid priced (90.00,) well constructed glove of traditional lineage. We bought it with the thought that it would serve him through his 12 year old year old year in little leage (about 2.5 years.) I have started working with his team and since I gave my last really good glove to a former player who'd gotten a scholarship... I decided I wanted a decent glove. Along the way, a light came on for me.... my son is a good player (all stars, travel team, committed athlete etc) and wants to continue play... so, I decided I would buy a high quality glove, break it in (the better the quality the longer it takes to break in--ironically) over the next couple of years and then it would be ready for him when he gets to that point. We got the glove in the mail yesterday... oh my! it is stellar! My son is a middle infielder (and pitches and catches) so I found a place that sells the pro model rawlings gloves. I have to be honest, this thing is better than any glove I ever owned (and I had one of the last american made Wilson A2000's) I had a great pro model Rawlings in the 70's which at the time was REALLY expensive but it served me well through high school and college and into coaching... Quality has lots of areas that are subjective to be sure, but there are just as many elements that anyone would have to acknowledge make the thing THE THING. In this case, anyone with experience with ball gloves would look at this glove and say... "oh my, that is a beauty!" it may not be the glove they would choose but it is an amazing piece of craftsmanship... the same with guitars and amps.. I think Tony's post about canned vegetables or the ones about mcdonalds or budweiser are interesting and the manufacturers would be mightily dismayed to know that there is such a variance... one of their stated goals is 'consistency of experience'. Meaning their quality control guys are absolutely fixated on their products being EXACTLY the same. What has given Toyota a good reputation over the years is that their tolerances in the build quality are extremely narrow so one Camry is EXACTLY like another. The fact that you find them not to be would be troubling to the manufacturer as one of their visions of quality is consistency in build quality. So, we are mixing terms a bit.. we just need to be aware of that. If I understand Yegbert's post... his absolute is the conception that an individual holds for what the object should be and should do. In that case there would be the absolute... it would be in the execution of that absolute that you'd see the differences. __________________ Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length.